{"id":18948,"date":"2013-08-16T18:01:19","date_gmt":"2013-08-16T22:01:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/theredphoenixapl.org\/?p=18948"},"modified":"2013-08-16T18:01:19","modified_gmt":"2013-08-16T22:01:19","slug":"islamists-debate-their-next-move-in-tense-cairo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redphoenix.news\/es\/2013\/08\/islamists-debate-their-next-move-in-tense-cairo\/","title":{"rendered":"Islamists Debate Their Next Move in Tense Cairo"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_18949\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-18949\" style=\"width: 490px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/redphoenixnews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/egypt-articlelarge.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-18949\" alt=\"Bryan Denton for The New York Times Men carried the body of a relative out of a mosque in Cairo, where the dead from Wednesday were taken for identification.\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/redphoenixnews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/egypt-articlelarge.jpg?resize=490%2C320\" width=\"490\" height=\"320\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-18949\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bryan Denton for The New York Times<br \/>Men carried the body of a relative out of a mosque in Cairo, where the dead from Wednesday were taken for identification.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">By<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color:#0000ff;\"><a title=\"More Articles by DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK\" href=\"http:\/\/topics.nytimes.com\/top\/reference\/timestopics\/people\/k\/david_d_kirkpatrick\/index.html\" rel=\"author\"><span style=\"color:#0000ff;\">DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">CAIRO \u2014 Gathering Thursday morning around a mosque used as a morgue for hundreds killed the day before, many Islamists waited confidently for a surge of sympathetic support from the broader public. But it failed to materialize.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">With their leaders jailed or silent, Islamists reeled in shock at the worst mass killing in Egypt\u2019s modern history. By Thursday night, health officials had counted 638 dead and nearly 4,000 injured, but the final toll was expected to rise further.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">A tense quiet settled over Cairo as the city braced for new protests by supporters of the ousted president, Mohamed Morsi, after the Friday Prayer. The new government authorized the police to use lethal force if they felt endangered.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Many of those waiting outside the makeshift morgue talked of civil war. Some blamed members of Egypt\u2019s Coptic Christian minority for supporting the military takeover. A few argued openly for a turn to violence.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">\u201cThe solution might be an assassination list,\u201d said Ahmed, 27, who like others refused to use his full name for fear of reprisals from the new authorities. \u201cShoot anyone in uniform. It doesn\u2019t matter if the good is taken with the bad, because that is what happened to us last night.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Mohamed Rasmy, a 30-year-old engineer, interrupted. \u201cThat is not the solution,\u201d he said, insisting that Islamist leaders would re-emerge with a plan \u201cto come together in protest.\u201d Despite the apparently wide support for the police action by the private news media and much of Cairo, he argued that the bloodshed was now turning the rest of the public against the military-appointed government.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">\u201cIt is already happening,\u201d he said.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">The outcome of the internal Islamist debate may now be the most critical variable in deciding the next phase of the crisis. The military-backed government has made clear its determination to demonize and repress the Islamists with a ruthlessness exceeding even that of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the autocrat who first outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood six decades ago.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">How the Islamists respond will inevitably reshape both their movement and Egypt. Will they resume the accommodationist tactics of the Muslim Brotherhood under former President Hosni Mubarak, escalate their street protests despite continued casualties, or turn to armed insurgency as some members did in the 1990s?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">President Obama, interrupting a weeklong vacation to address the bloodshed, stopped short of suspending the $1.3 billion in annual American military aid to Egypt but canceled joint military exercises scheduled to take place in a few months.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Instead of \u201creconciliation\u201d after the military takeover, he said, \u201cwe\u2019ve seen a more dangerous path taken through arbitrary arrests, a broad crackdown on Mr. Morsi\u2019s associations and supporters, and now tragically the violence that\u2019s taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands more.\u201d Mr. Obama added that \u201cour traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Soon after the president\u2019s speech, the State Department issued an advisory warning United States citizens living in Egypt to leave \u201cbecause of the continuing political and social unrest.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">The military-appointed government in Cairo accused Mr. Obama of failing to grasp the nature of the \u201cterrorist acts\u201d it said Egypt is facing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">A statement issued by the office of the interim president, Adli Mansour, said Mr. Obama\u2019s remarks \u201cwould strengthen the violent armed groups and encourage them in their methods inimical to stability and the democratic transition.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">In Europe, some officials called for a suspension of aid by the European Union, and at least one member state, Denmark, cut off support. The British and French summoned their Egyptian ambassadors to condemn the violence. In Ankara, Turkey, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, an ideological ally of Mr. Morsi\u2019s, called for an early meeting of the United Nations Security Council to discuss what he called a \u201cmassacre.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Egyptian Islamists continued to lash out across the country. Scores of them blocked a main highway circling the capital. In Alexandria, hundreds battled with opponents and the police in the streets and health officials said at least nine died. Others hurled firebombs that ignited a provincial government headquarters near the pyramids in Giza. In the latest in a string of attacks on Coptic Christian churches and businesses, at least one more church was set on fire, in Fayoum.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Outside the mosque in Cairo, some Islamists contended that the Coptic pope, Tawadros II, had appeared to endorse the crackdown, and they portrayed attacks on churches around the country as a counterattack. \u201cWhen Pope Tawadros comes out after a massacre to thank the military and the police, then don\u2019t accuse me of sectarianism,\u201d said Mamdouh Hamdi, 35, an accountant.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">The Islamist movement, usually known here for its tight discipline, appeared to slip loose from its leaders, entering perilous new ground, said Ali Farghaly, 47, an executive at a multinational company who was waiting outside the mosque. \u201cForget the leaders now,\u201d he said. \u201cThe streets are leading this, and when things get out of the control of the leaders no one can predict the situation.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">But if the Islamists hoped that Wednesday\u2019s violence would turn the rest of the country against the military-dominated government, there were few signs of it on Thursday. Mohamed ElBaradei, the interim vice president and a Nobel Prize-winner, was the only official to resign over the crackdown, and he was widely criticized for it in both the state and the private news media.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">The ultraconservative Nour Party, the liberal April 6 group and the far-left Revolutionary Socialists spoke out against the killings. But most other political factions denounced the Islamists as a terrorist threat and applauded the government action.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">With the main Islamist satellite networks shut down by the new government, Egyptian state and private television coverage focused on unsubstantiated allegations that the Islamist sit-ins had posed a terrorist threat, or that their participants shot first at the police. Unlike newspapers around the world, none of the major Egyptian dailies put a picture of the carnage on their front pages on Thursday.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Veterans of Gamaa al-Islamiya, the ultraconservative Islamist group that waged a terrorist campaign in Egypt two decades ago and later renounced violence, said that since the military takeover they had been warning angry jihadis to shun their group\u2019s former tactics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">\u201cBecause of our experience and the position that we have against the use of violence, we persuaded them that Egypt can\u2019t stand fighting, that an armed conflict is a loss to everybody,\u201d said Ammar Omar Abdel Rahman, a leader of Gamaa al-Islamiya and the son of the blind sheik convicted of terrorism in the United States 20 year ago.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">But Wednesday\u2019s crackdown had made that argument much harder to win, Mr. Abdel Rahman said. The security forces \u201care the aggressors,\u201d he said. \u201cBeing a military doesn\u2019t give you the right to kill and exterminate whoever you want.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">By late morning, patches of blackened ground were still smoldering on the grounds where tens of thousands had camped for the six weeks since Mr. Morsi\u2019s ouster. More than 240 bodies lay in rows in the mosque-turned-morgue, wrapped in white sheets as teams moved coffins in and out to remove the dead for burial.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Many were charred beyond recognition by the fires that Egyptian security forces set to eradicate the tent city. Some had blocks of ice on their chest to slow decomposition in the intense midday heat and volunteers moved through the room spraying antiseptic. Behind a display of recovered identification cards used to aid identifications, a young boy slept amid the dead.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Hundreds had gathered outside to try to find missing friends of relatives, or to stand in solidarity with the lost. A voice over a loudspeaker repeatedly urged the crowd to disperse, to march off with the departing coffins. A sign on the door pointedly declared that the assembly was not a sit-in or a demonstration but just a place to claim the dead, presumably to avoid attracting another police crackdown.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">After the 9 p.m. curfew, the police moved in, firing tear gas into the mosque, seizing control and removing the remaining bodies, television news coverage showed. It was not clear where they were taken, or why.<\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000;\">Alan Cowell contributed reporting from London, and Mayy El Sheikh and Kareem Fahim from Cairo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#0000ff;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2013\/08\/16\/world\/middleeast\/egypt.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=3&amp;\"><span style=\"color:#0000ff;\">Fuente<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By\u00a0DAVID D. 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